At the Herefordshire Hub by Tristan Gregory

November 13, 2014

in Events, Suppers

This year has been one where talking together has been opening up, and not just under the auspices of  thinkingardens. The RHS held a debate which  Helen Gazeley reviewed here and which is now on YouTube, here – ‘Are Gardens Art?’ so you can judge it for yourselves.

There were the thinkingardens suppers, which you are aware of. And then the Herefordshire Horticultural Hub – an organisation well worth emulating – held a discussion, also on gardens as art.  It’s great to have all this discussion – can we hope it may begin to replace the endless lecture with slides format?

Thank you for inviting me, Herefordshire Horticultural Hub and here’s wishing you many more interesting and companionable evenings. And thank you, Tristan for chairing it and writing it up. And apologies for the rather random pictures – no-one took any of the event itself. We were too occupied, so I missed all those people who had to leave after the discussion.

Anne Wareham, editor.

Nice Little Place on thinkingardens

Nice Little Place: just right for a relaxing break or a great event.

Tristan Gregory:

The topic for the original discussion had been “Are gardens art.” Having been given the privilege and responsibility of posing the questions to Anne, I had dutifully put together a selection which I thought might neatly plug any gaps in the obvious answer: “of course they are when so intended.”  Therein lay the problem – who in an audience drawn from the Herefordshire Horticultural Hub would be likely to disagree? But in the event we had a lively, enjoyable and informed debate on why the perception of gardens as art really matters and how that message might best be put out amongst those yet to be converted.

Nice Little Place 1.

Supper prep…

One of the key themes to emerge could be summarised as engagement: for who, and how.

The who fell into two camps, the wider population who don’t feel gardens offer much beyond the tearoom and the space for the kids to let off steam, and the seasoned gardener and aficionado.

With regard to the first group I think we all agreed that the mainstream media reflected their wider audience’s ambivalence rather than seek to enlighten it.  The subject of the BBC’s coverage of Chelsea came up, wall to wall coverage that strains the interest of even hardened enthusiasts and then ceases. A cheap way to fill up a mandated number of special interest hours perhaps?

Herefordshire Horticultural Hub evening.

A few assemble…

Some present also felt that an overtly arty and elitist tenor to the discussion of gardening as an art would be found quite repellent by many people.

While we may not see much of the gardeners, they  are key both to the commercial survival of the gardens and garden businesses that we work in. And they are also the likely source of those gifted individuals with the flair and confidence to create new works of horticultural art.  At present horticultural practitioners are considered to amount to little more than refugees from academic pursuits and so gifted individuals may not be drawn into our fold.

Herefordshire Horticultural Hub evening.

While the rest of us went on enjoying ourselves some made supper….

Regarding the how to  there was the particular matter of the garden review.  It is worth pointing out that we did not arrive at a common position.  On one side there were those who maintain a right to review is important in achieving both the intellectual engagement with the garden visiting community and the aesthetic development of the gardens in question.  Irrespective of how uncomfortable the comment or “unqualified” the commentator a well reasoned review, especially one that invites discussion, will have value; an unreasonable or purely spiteful one need not be taken too seriously.

On the other side it was felt that to invite criticism and to feel obliged to receive it from all quarters with a stiff upper lip is simply too much to ask given the potential for commercial damage and more importantly the hurt inflicted when something so personal and as vulnerable to the vicissitudes of climate and circumstance as a garden is examined critically.  Both points have validity and while my particular perspective can be guessed at I entirely understand the other.

Herefordshire Horticultural Hub evening.

Whether critical discourses like this have any traction outside of a very narrow band of enthusiasts and professionals was also a tricky point.  Some may question the courage of a garden media establishment that prefers to ere always on the side of positivity but as commercial entities if there is no demand from readers and subscribers for anything but this then why risk it?  It was also argued that even amongst our already small group a review was seldom felt to be a substitute for an actual visit.  A change in the culture of horticultural appreciation may well be a worthy and even an exciting proposition but someone needs either to find the chicken or lay the egg.

Also on the subject of the “how” to get the message out about the possibilities gardens offer, an interesting observation was made about the potential for re-interpreting the materials and even the means of expressing horticultural art, thus extending its reach beyond the fixed and site specific garden. To substitute commercial concern for philosophical rigour in the big flower shows like Chelsea may be asking a little too much but what about the Chelsea Fringe?

Herefordshire Horticultural Hub evening.

This was an extremely lively discussion and there was more said than I can properly account for here.  Indeed it would probably have continued on into the night had dinner and drink not been calling so persuasively.  If we came to any conclusion at all then it was this:

That there is no better way to express what we feel about gardening than to talk about it, to argue about it even, with a group of diverse and passionate peers, even if one succeeds only in enjoying oneself.

Tristan Gregory

Tristan is Head gardener at Kentchurch Court

(He insists on not having a portrait here)

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Bill Rose November 15, 2014 at 2:33 pm

By the way, looks a great pub…..

Bill Rose November 15, 2014 at 1:35 pm

Ok lets look at this idea, of gardens being art..

1. Good gardens are art
2. Bad gardens are not.. art.
3. Allotments are.. What? Art not Art?
4. Artful, Artistic, Artistry.
5. Is a field of crops art, because you cut a maze into it..

Roundabouts in the road with flowers in them.. Art, not Art.
Or are they just roundabouts with flowers…

Paul Steer November 13, 2014 at 7:10 pm

At the risk of sounding repetitive – if Carl Andre is recognised as an artist for creating an installation of bricks – and Tracy Emin for an unmade bed – then of course a garden can be an art form. There is a long history of art based on the concept rather than a finished permanent object. Perhaps gardens could be better understood from the conceptual perspective?

Bill Rose November 15, 2014 at 1:26 pm

Well I do not recognise the bricks or the unmade bed as art. Both are rubbish..

But I will consider that a garden can be a like an art gallery. a space in which art can be presented and displayed. I could also accept that flower arrangments can be art..

Bill Rose November 13, 2014 at 4:18 pm

I have not commented on the ‘Garden as Art’ subject because I have been busy and I thought that Gardens as Art was a bit of a daft idea… But there is a better way to look at this idea.

The original Eden, as a concept of a garden, is origin of creation of paradise. Therefore the idea of a garden being art is hard to accept.
Art for me is an abstract idea. Gardening is a practical thing.

I accept that a garden can be artful, artistic, even consider a garden as a huge art instilation that you can walk through. A bit like a giant sculpture.

So I am still thinking about the statement ‘Garden as Art’ I am not yet convinced that art is gardening or that a garden could be art…

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